SCO vs. IBM					 Tech Insider's Review

From amcnabb at mcnabbs.org  Wed Nov 12 18:50:14 2003
From: amcnabb at mcnabbs.org (Andrew McNabb)
Date: Wed Nov 12 18:50:47 2003
Subject: [uug] I hate reporters
Message-ID: <20031113015014.GA5618@mcnabbs.org>

Reporters are so stupid.  It could have been worse, I guess.  Everyone
who watched KSL could tell that McBride's a scum bucket.

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From andrew at jorgensenfamily.us  Wed Nov 12 20:08:35 2003
From: andrew at jorgensenfamily.us (Andrew Jorgensen)
Date: Wed Nov 12 20:08:39 2003
Subject: [uug] I hate reporters
In-Reply-To: <20031113015014.GA5618@mcnabbs.org>
References: <20031113015014.GA5618@mcnabbs.org>
Message-ID: <1068692915.6019.2.camel@Yeshua>

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 18:50, Andrew McNabb wrote:
> Reporters are so stupid.  It could have been worse, I guess.  Everyone
> who watched KSL could tell that McBride's a scum bucket.

Ha ha. Did you get quoted? (I haven't seen it). I've been quoted once.
Never again. Reporters really are stupid.

So anyone care to give better details of the news spot?

From sorenson at byu.edu  Wed Nov 12 20:21:43 2003
From: sorenson at byu.edu (Frank Sorenson)
Date: Wed Nov 12 20:21:32 2003
Subject: [uug] I hate reporters
In-Reply-To: <1068692915.6019.2.camel@Yeshua>
References: <20031113015014.GA5618@mcnabbs.org>
	<1068692915.6019.2.camel@Yeshua>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0311122010130.7713@asterix.cs.byu.edu>

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Andrew Jorgensen said:
> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 18:50, Andrew McNabb wrote:
> > Reporters are so stupid.  It could have been worse, I guess.  Everyone
> > who watched KSL could tell that McBride's a scum bucket.
> 
> Ha ha. Did you get quoted? (I haven't seen it). I've been quoted once.
> Never again. Reporters really are stupid.
> 
> So anyone care to give better details of the news spot?

This is pretty much of a transcript here:

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=58315

It's pretty lame.  They interviewed Jason and I each for over 15 minutes
on camera.  Then they portrayed it as a David & Goliath fight, and all the 
local Linux fanatics were against SCO and we were all just freeloaders.

Basically, they drank SCO's Kool-Aid.

Frank
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CSR Computer Science Department
Brigham Young University
frank@byu.net

From jason at lunkwill.org  Thu Nov 13 04:27:12 2003
From: jason at lunkwill.org (Jason Holt)
Date: Wed Nov 12 21:27:14 2003
Subject: [uug] I hate reporters
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0311122010130.7713@asterix.cs.byu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311130424580.29605-100000@potato.zayda.com>


You can download the clip (no fair streaming!) at:

http://www.lunkwill.org/tmp/sco.avi

I promise I had more interesting things to say than what they showed.  I blame
Darl.

(I'm uploading right now - should be done in 2m15s)

			-J

From webmaster at alpine.k12.ut.us  Thu Nov 13 08:13:26 2003
From: webmaster at alpine.k12.ut.us (District Webmaster)
Date: Thu Nov 13 08:10:42 2003
Subject: [uug] I hate reporters
Message-ID: <sfb33d30.041@mail.adm.alpine.k12.ut.us>

In all fairness to the reporter, they don't have a particularly
easy job. I'm reminded of a cartoon that had a group of reporters
lined up to throw at a dart board. Above the board was the title
"Today I am an expert in . . ." and then the board was divided
into a bunch of different topics (medicine, politics, technology,
business, religion, history, etc.).

I used to work in journalism, and I can tell you that example is
not far from the truth. You don't know from day to day what your
assignment will be, but you're expected to report expertly on
whatever assignment your given.

And it must fit the space allotted.

And you're on deadline.

And you must explain it to an audience that is even less expert
than you.

And it must be interesting (gotta sell that advertising space!).

In my experience, most reporters at least try to be accurate.
Considering the reporter was obviously not well-acquainted
with the OSS world, I felt he at least tried to explain it fairly.

If nothing else, it gets the issue out there in the general
pantheon of current events for a lot of non-technical people,
and I'm betting that can be a good thing for OSS.

Dave

From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Thu Nov 13 08:27:13 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: Thu Nov 13 08:27:17 2003
Subject: [uug] I hate reporters
In-Reply-To: <sfb33d30.041@mail.adm.alpine.k12.ut.us>
References: <sfb33d30.041@mail.adm.alpine.k12.ut.us>
Message-ID: <1068737233.13421.30.camel@quasi.ksl.com>

What I am wondering is why Jed Boal did not first look at KSL for some
information? They have a three-time published author in the Linux field
on staff. I could have provided him with all the background he needed to
give a fairly comprehensive explanation. 
Plus, KSL uses Linux for nearly all their web stuff.
I'll have to go have a chat with him today.
KJ

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|     Kerry J. Cox, Ph.D.      __         kerry.cox@ksl.com       |
|   KSL System Administrator  |  |         p: 801.575.7771        |
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On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 08:13, District Webmaster wrote:
> In all fairness to the reporter, they don't have a particularly
> easy job. I'm reminded of a cartoon that had a group of reporters
> lined up to throw at a dart board. Above the board was the title
> "Today I am an expert in . . ." and then the board was divided
> into a bunch of different topics (medicine, politics, technology,
> business, religion, history, etc.).
> 
> I used to work in journalism, and I can tell you that example is
> not far from the truth. You don't know from day to day what your
> assignment will be, but you're expected to report expertly on
> whatever assignment your given.
> 
> And it must fit the space allotted.
> 
> And you're on deadline.
> 
> And you must explain it to an audience that is even less expert
> than you.
> 
> And it must be interesting (gotta sell that advertising space!).
> 
> In my experience, most reporters at least try to be accurate.
> Considering the reporter was obviously not well-acquainted
> with the OSS world, I felt he at least tried to explain it fairly.
> 
> If nothing else, it gets the issue out there in the general
> pantheon of current events for a lot of non-technical people,
> and I'm betting that can be a good thing for OSS.
> 
> Dave
> 
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From sorenson at byu.edu  Thu Nov 13 08:53:59 2003
From: sorenson at byu.edu (Frank Sorenson)
Date: Thu Nov 13 08:53:51 2003
Subject: [uug] I hate reporters
In-Reply-To: <1068737233.13421.30.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
References: <sfb33d30.041@mail.adm.alpine.k12.ut.us>
	<1068737233.13421.30.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0311130847030.8994@asterix.cs.byu.edu>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Kerry Cox said:
> What I am wondering is why Jed Boal did not first look at KSL for some
> information? They have a three-time published author in the Linux field
> on staff. I could have provided him with all the background he needed to
> give a fairly comprehensive explanation. 
> Plus, KSL uses Linux for nearly all their web stuff.
> I'll have to go have a chat with him today.
> KJ

Actually, Jed mentioned that they had found someone on staff who knew 
about Linux, but they couldn't put him on camera, so they went looking for 
others that could go on camera.  They got quite a bit more from both Jason 
and myself, but obviously didn't use any of it.  I sent an email to Jed 
last night to let him know what I thought.  Poor guy.  He's probably heard 
from a bunch of people.

Frank
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CSR Computer Science Department
Brigham Young University
frank@byu.net

From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Thu Nov 13 15:02:32 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: Thu Nov 13 15:02:44 2003
Subject: [uug] KSL web team and forum board
Message-ID: <1068760951.22972.9.camel@quasi.ksl.com>

The KSL web director has just informed me that we have a new forum site
regarding last night's piece on SCO. We welcome any and all constructive
comments and/or feedback. 
If community participation is positive, we would like to make this an
ongoing format for any future pieces that generate as much interest.
I have provided a direct link to the page below.
Thank you for your comments.
KJ

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=151

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|     Kerry J. Cox, Ph.D.      __         kerry.cox@ksl.com       |
|   KSL System Administrator  |  |         p: 801.575.7771        |
|    http://www.ksl.com/      |__|         f: 801.575.5745        |
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